Yes I talked trash all week, and I am willing to admit defeat. The Eagles won the game fair and square, however on the Giants side there is plenty of blame to go around.
Yes I am the guy who toots Eli’s horn when he is playing well. He played poorly in this playoff game but I still am fine with him as my QB for the next7-10 years, the kid is a winner and will rebound. I am not willing to say all the blame goes to Eli, but as a QB you have to be willing to except the blame if you are willing to accept the adulation.
If there is 100% blame then it is shared by numerous people this week.
15% of credit has to go the Eagles. They came in prepared and made the plays when they had to, and that is what playoff football is all about.
3% of the blame goes to the Plaxico situation. Obviously people will look to that and give that a lot of credence but I just don’t see it as a huge problem. The Giants aren’t heavily reliant on one player so much
17% of the blame goes to John Carney. He is a pro bowler this year and the fact is he missed 2 field goals in this game, and only missed one during the year.
20% of the blame goes to Elisha Manning. He played poorly. His balls floated on him all day and he made some bad decisions with the ball. One touchdown is squarely on his shoulders, he threw a bad pick in the 1st quarter. As for his second pick, I don’t count that all that much, it was in desperate we have throw the ball every time part of the game.
25% of the blame goes to the Giants coaching staff, mostly on offense. Gilbride called a terrible fucking game, plain and simple. It was clear early on that Eli wasn’t playing well so you have to go to the running game more, especially when it was working. The Giants were 5-11 on first down passes and ran the ball 17 times for 110 yards on first down. So why would you continue to throw the ball on first down whne your QB has shown an inability to throw the ball most of the day and your running game has been successful?. Both Ward and Jacobs ran the ball well, but damn Gilbride likes to outsmart himself, a coaching problem we have discussed here before. We can talk about some specific plays like on 4th and inches why we don’t hand the ball to the 280 running back that we have? And then on 3rd and 3 on the next drive we run a direct snap to Derrick Ward, a play we have not run in 16 games this season. What, are you fucking kidding me?
10% of the blame goes to Antonio Pierce. He flat out sucks balls. To quote one of my old hoops coach’s “he couldn’t play dead in a cowboy movie.” Three times a third down he just let his guy get first downs. On one of the biggest drives of the game he just grabbed a guys face mask for a 15 yard penalty and then forgot to cover his guy on the touchdown. The day he dies will be a holiday for me, I really mean that. I think he is the worst player ever. On my old blog check out March 4 2005’s Daily Nooner where I express my complete distain for Antonio Pierce’s terrible football skills.
10% of the blame goes to the rest of the team for making too many penalties and not making timely plays. The Giants last post season and this season excelled at no making stupid penalties, not turning the ball over and making the timely play. They did not of that against the Eagles.
On a side note how about that Donovan McNabb. All he does is keep winning under all kinds of adversity. Never has a guy who is so good been so universally hated by his own fan base. I hope he wins the Super Bowl and tells all the Eagles fans to kiss his big black ass.
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The Eagles only get 15% of the credit for beating the Jints in the playoffs at the Meadowlands?!?
Funny, I was just saying to somebody that at least the Jets don't have Eli as their qb for the next 5 years...you're happy having him for 10. Beauty is truly in the eyes of the beholder.
Yeah I want Eli as my QB for the next 5 years, why wouldnt I?
A guy who as a full time starter in 4 seasons is 41-25 with 2 Division titles, 3-2 in the playoffs, a Super Bowl title and a Super Bowl MVP trophy, why wouldnt I want that guy? Because I want to be like the Jets and lose maybe, but if I want to continue to win games I will take Elisha.
Funny, who is the Jets QB gonna be next year? At least the Giants have a consistent QB that they know will come to play every week and who is a proven winner. The Jets have a guy who is playing the retirement game AGAIN in hopes of getting his way.
Eli is by far the most overrated individual in professional sports (I'm not counting David Beckham because I don't consider soccer a significant sport). He was able to catch lightning in a bottle and rode the coat-tails of a good team to a championship. People who consider Eli a clutch performer because of his final drive in the super bowl are watching with blinders on, but now that he's come crashing back to earth lets take a look at that drive through a non-fans eyes...He fumbled and threw two balls that should have been picked off but they were dropped. Then he made a great play to escape from two tacklers, threw up a prayer, and David Tyree made one of the greatest catches in super bowl history (where's he been since?). The pass to Plaxico Burress was accurate, but I'm not going to give him much of the credit when you consider the fact that Plaxico juked the cb so bad he ended up falling down at the 10. Granted Eli's team gets wins but are they winning because of Eli or in spite of him? From the Cleveland game through the Baltimore game (the heart of the season this year and before Plaxico shot himself) the team went 6-1...Eli did not pass for over 200 yards in any of those games. If you want to compare Eli to anyone look no further than Trent Dilfer in 2000. Here are Dilfer's stats that year (played eight games) 59.3%, 28 attempts/game, 187.5 yard/game, 6.6 yards/attempt, 12 TD's, 11 int's...Here are Eli's during his super bowl year - 56.1%, 33 attempts/game, 208 yards/game, 6.6 yards/attempt, 23 td's, 20 ints. If you want some more pathetic stats just look at the games Eli has played after December 1st in the Meadowlands during his career. I'm not saying Eli's teams don't win, I'm just saying it's not because of Eli. The wrs were open yesterday he just couldn't throw it to them. The Jets don't have a qb, but I'll take my chances looking for somebody else than settling on Eli.
Thats fine, take yor chances looking for a QB and I will take my chances witha QB who wins.
Listen, it has been said a million times; QB's get too much of the credit and too much of the blame but that is just the way it is.
I could sit here and go through numbers and stats all day, you can make them say whatever you want, the fact is in this league and most sports leagues you are judged by wins and losses.
Joe Namath won 1 game worth a damned and is in the Hall of fame for it (and I am not just picking Namath because he is a Jet, I am picking him out because he is overrated).
I can compare Namaths Career (63-63-4 record 174 TD's 220 INT's 50% comp pct) to Craig Morton (81-62-1 183 TD's 187 INT's and 54% comp pct).
One of those guys is int he Hall of Fame, Namath and why, because in Super bowls he is 1-0 and Morton is 0-2.
Any Jet fan born after 1970 will agree with you that Joe Nammath is extremely overrated...including myself. In fact, most Jet fans born after 1970 have been blaming Joe Willie for the Jets failures today because they think he sold the Jets soul to the devil for that win (that's said tongue in cheek of course). Nammath is actually a very good comparrison when thinking about Eli. The Giant fans look at Eli because of one big win the same way older Jet fans look at Nammath...But Joe's much, much cooler than Eli and the older Jet fans arent' calling up talk radio stations claiming that Eli is an elite quarterback...which he is not!! I was driving around on Saturday and listening to people call up Sommers and say that they'd rather have Peyton over Eli...several times. If they weren't saying that they were saying he's a top three quarterback and they'd still take him over Rivers and Roethlisberger...Some were actually still saying they'd re-do the draft day deal today if they could...I'm not hearing that today though.
sorry, meant eli over Peyton
Pierce is horrible. He's a fat, slow, slob and cannot cover a zit on his face..
Eli played the worst game I've seen in well over a year.
Gilbride, deserves about 70% of the blame. 1st and 5 on the 25 and he calls 3 straight passes??? WHAT?!?!? I almost jumped through the screen!
They did run the wild cat to Ward at least once during the regular season, but yuo mean to tell me you can't run BJ up the gut and get that 1st down? You got arguably the best O-line, with the best blocking full back and best short yardage back, and you toss it to Ward and sneak with Eli??? TERRIBLE!
Danny,
That play is not the "Wildcat." That is when the QB is split out and the back is lined up at the QB position taking the snap directly, there is no ruse in the "Wildcat" like Eli pretending the snap went over his head and the halfback stepping in front to take the snap.
Eli is a solid but not elite QB, and I doubt any Giants fan will disagree with me on this. Guys like Elway, Marino, Montana, Brady, Young, Aikman, and Favre wouldn't have shit the bed, in their primes, the way Eli did. I would have rather had Kurt Warner than Eli in that spot if I were a Giants fan. The Giants should get a guy like Warner, he's good...
You can obviously win a SB with Eli. But you can also win a SB with Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Jim McMahon, Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypien, etc. I don't think Eli will ever be able to put a team on his back and be the focal point of an offense for an entire season.
Let's see, where to start...
Antonio Pierce sucks and deserves more blame for not being able to guard Art Gardner's dick, granted that's a big thing to cover but it's not going anywhere and I'll bet it could get open in the middle of the field.
He also has to take some blame for being a team captain and going to a club with a guy with a gun in his sweat pants. As someone who's been ridin' dirty at times, I always know when I'm with someone who has something that could potentially involve the police. That's just a black guy thing and AP will likely have his Upper Level Ghetto Pass reviewed this summer.
Yes, the absence of Plax makes a huge difference cuz the Eagles proved time and time again that they couldn't guard him one on one. I don't need to repeat what analysts said all week, but while Dawkins up on the line didn't stop our running attack it did turn the coaches into bitches and make they afraid to run the ball non-stop. So while AP shouldn't wear Giant blue next year, you also have to hope that Gilbrie takes the Raiders money and we find someone else, like Brian Billick...
Elisha played horrible and he's not the elite QB that reporters made him out to be prior to the game, but if you would rather take the Jets situation rather than him you're an idiot. Plain and simple, the man hasn't even hit his prime as a QB yet and yet you're ready to throw him away for what? Sam Bradford? Colt McCoy? Wake up and smell reality. Phillip Rivers hasn't played in a Super Bowl and you could argue that Big Ben won his Super Bowl ring in spite of him or do I need to find the stats from that game?
As for the team and the end of the season, who really thought they would repeat as champions? I mean, it was a possibility but the fact remains that it's hard to repeat when everyone is gunning for you. And of all the eight teams that were set to play last weekend, the Eagles scared me the most by far. They know us and we know them. McNabb always played well against us and always runs for a big first down and since Armstead left, we haven't had anyone to cover the middle and McNabb always kills us because of it.
And why add Tynes, a kicker with a stronger leg and experience with the winds at the Meadowlands, to the roster if you're not going to use him on long kicks (45 yards in that wind might as well be 55)?
Carney could have made those kicks. He had enough distance. He just missed. That was only 6 pts, though, and the Giants lost by more than that.
The real problem was not running enough or well enough. I thought the Giants O-line had as bad a day as I've ever seen them have. Some of that is them, and some of that is the Eagles defense coming to play.
As for Eli, I'd take him over what the Jets have right now at QB. But that's not really saying that much.
I agree with Zoltan. Eli is a decent QB, but if the game is completely on his shoulders, it's a recipe for failure. He's not that guy.
Though I'm very curious to see how he plays next season. He had an incredible calendar year 2008, starting with last year's playoffs/Super Bowl and through the whole regular season this year, give or take a Browns game.
Will he bounce back in the next regular season, or will he revert back to the shaky QB most Giants fans who are honest with themselves will remember that they wanted gone not too long ago?
If I was betting, I'd say he'll actually fall somewhere in the middle - some games he'll look great, and others he'll look terrible, so we can keep having this debate every year. That's what I hope, anyway.
One thing you guys are missing not being in the area is that Gilbright wasn't responsible for some of those atrocious play calls...Eli was. The one series you are all criticizing is the 1st and 5 series. Every play call within that series was a run first with a pass option. Eli got to the line saw single coverage and chose to pass. I'll give him credit for having the moxy to make that change because it shows that he didn't lose his confidence eventhough he had to know he was playing horrible. However, he should've know that they had a better chance of playing smash mouth at that point than trying to be cute...and I still stand by my point that I'd rather have nobody than be stuck with Eli for the next five years...he's no more than a good game manager...that abillity can be matched and surpassed within five years.
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